HERESIES with Co-Hosts Kevin Kelly and Noah Feldman (#677)
Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show . I’m very excited to publish this episode. This is an experimental format, and we are calling it HERESIES .
The objective of this format is to encourage and celebrate independent thinking.
Please enjoy!
Bios of the co-hosts and guests:
Kevin Kelly ( @kevin2kelly ) helped launch and edit Wired magazine. He has written for The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal , among many other publications. You can find my most recent interview with him at tim.blog/kevinkelly .
He is the author of the new book Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier . Other books by Kevin Kelly include Out of Control , the 1994 classic book on decentralized emergent systems; The Silver Cord , a graphic novel about robots and angels; What Technology Wants , a robust theory of technology; Vanishing Asia , his 50-year project to photograph the disappearing cultures of Asia, and The Inevitable: Understanding the 12 Technological Forces That Will Shape Our Future , a New York Times bestseller.
Kevin is currently co-chair of The Long Now Foundation , which is building a clock in a mountain that will tick for 10,000 years. He also has a daily blog; a weekly podcast about cool tools; and a weekly newsletter, Recomendo , which is a free, one-page list of six very brief recommendations of cool stuff. He is also a Senior Maverick at Wired. He lives in Pacifica, California.
****
Noah Feldman ( @NoahRFeldman ) is a Harvard professor, ethical philosopher and advisor, public intellectual, religious scholar and historian, and author of 10 books, including his latest, The Broken Constitution: Lincoln, Slavery, and the Refounding of America . You can find my interview with him at tim.blog/noah .
Noah is the founder of Ethical Compass, which helps clients like Facebook and eBay improve ethical decision-making by creating and implementing new governance solutions. Noah conceived and designed the Facebook Oversight Board and continues to advise Facebook on ethics and governance issues.
Noah is host of the Deep Background podcast, a policy and public affairs columnist for Bloomberg Opinion , and a former contributing writer for The New York Times . He served as senior constitutional advisor to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq and subsequently advised members of the Iraqi Governing Council on the drafting of Iraq’s interim constitution.
He earned his A.B. summa cum laude from Harvard, finishing first in his class. Selected as a Rhodes Scholar, he earned a DPhil from Oxford University, writing his dissertation on Aristotle’s Ethics. He received his J.D. from Yale Law School and clerked for Justice David Souter of the U.S. Supreme Court.
He is the author of 10 books, including Divided by God: America’s Church-State Problem—and What We Should Do About It ; What We Owe Iraq: War and the Ethics of Nation Building ; Cool War: The United States, China, and the Future of Global Competition ; Scorpions: The Battles and Triumphs of FDR’s Great Supreme Court Justices ; and The Three Lives of James Madison: Genius, Partisan, President .
His upcoming book is Bad Jew: A Perplexed Guide to God, Israel, and the Jewish People , which is currently available for pre-order.
***
Maggie Spivey-Faulkner is an anthropological archaeologist and practitioner of Indigenous archaeology, currently working as an assistant professor in the Department of Anthropology at the University of Alberta. She also serves as an assistant chief of the Upper Georgia tribal town of the Pee Dee Indian Nation of Beaver Creek, a state-recognized Native American group in South Carolina. Her work focuses on using anthropological data to upend harmful misconceptions of Native American peoples embedded in public policy, science, and the public consciousness.
Maggie was raised in a tight-knit extended family in rural Hephzibah, Georgia. She is an international fellow of The Explorers Club, a former junior fellow of the Harvard Society of Fellows, and a recipient of the National Science Foundation Graduate Research Fellowship. She received her Ph.D. in anthropology from Washington University in St. Louis in 2018 and her A.B. from Harvard College in 2008.
***
Joshua L. Steiner is a partner at SSW , a private investment firm, and a senior adviser at Bloomberg, L.P., where he was previously Head of Industry Verticals. Prior to joining Bloomberg, Steiner co-founded and was co-president of Quadrangle Group, LLC, a private equity and asset management firm. Before co-founding Quadrangle, he was a managing director at Lazard. From 1993 to 1995 he served as chief of staff for the U.S. Department of the Treasury.
He serves on the boards of Yale University, the International Rescue Committee, and the SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University. Steiner received a B.A. in history from Yale and an M.St. in modern history from Oxford University.
Please enjoy!
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts , Spotify , Overcast , Podcast Addict , Pocket Casts , Castbox , Google Podcasts , Stitcher , Amazon Music , or on your favorite podcast platform . You can watch the conversation on YouTube here .
Brought to you by Wealthfront high-yield savings account, AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement, and Helix Sleep premium mattresses.
Listen on Apple Podcasts
Listen on Spotify
Listen on Overcast
#677: HERESIES with Co-Hosts Kevin Kelly and Noah Feldman
This episode is brought to you by AG1 ! I get asked all the time, “If you could use only one supplement, what would it be?” My answer is usually AG1 , my all-in-one nutritional insurance. I recommended it in The 4-Hour Body in 2010 and did not get paid to do so. I do my best with nutrient-dense meals, of course, but AG1 further covers my bases with vitamins, minerals, and whole-food-sourced micronutrients that support gut health and the immune system.
Right now, you’ll get their Vitamin D Liquid Formula free with your first subscription purchase —a vital nutrient for a strong immune system and strong bones. Visit DrinkAG1.com/Tim to claim this special offer today and receive the free Vitamin D Liquid Formula (and 5 free AG1 travel packs) with your first subscription purchase! That’s up to a one-year supply of Vitamin D as added value when you try their delicious and comprehensive all-in-one daily greens product.
This episode is brought to you by Wealthfront ! Wealthfront is an app that helps you save and invest your money. Right now, you can earn 4.55% APY—that’s the Annual Percentage Yield—with the Wealthfront Cash Account . That’s more than eleven times more interest than if you left your money in a savings account at the average bank, according to FDIC.gov.
It takes just a few minutes to sign up, and then you’ll immediately start earning 4.55% interest on your savings. And when you open an account today, you’ll get an extra fifty-dollar bonus with a deposit of five hundred dollars or more. Visit Wealthfront.com/Tim to get started.
This episode is brought to you by Helix Sleep ! Helix was selected as the best overall mattress of 2022 by GQ magazine , Wired, and Apartment Therapy. With Helix , there’s a specific mattress to meet each and every body’s unique comfort needs. Just take their quiz— only two minutes to complete —that matches your body type and sleep preferences to the perfect mattress for you. They have a 10-year warranty, and you get to try it out for a hundred nights, risk-free. They’ll even pick it up from you if you don’t love it. And now, Helix is offering 20% off all mattress orders plus two free pillows at HelixSleep.com/Tim .
What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments .
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
Heresy Definition & Meaning | Merriam-Webster
Opinion: Talk Less. Listen More. Here’s How. | The New York Times
How to Become a Better Listener | Harvard Business Review
Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier by Kevin Kelly | Amazon
Utopia by Thomas More | Amazon
Study Design 101: Randomized Controlled Trial | The Himmelfarb Health Sciences Library
Strawman | Your Logical Fallacy Is
Hephzibah, Georgia | Wikipedia
Why Sharing Stories Brings People Together | Psychology Today
Constitution of the United States (1787) | National Archives
Perspectives on the Constitution: Constitutions Around the World | Constitution Center
Britain’s Unwritten Constitution | The British Library
The Powerful Iroquois Confederacy of the Northeast | Legends of America
Haudenosaunee Confederacy
Wampum | Onondaga Nation
Burning Man
1789: Madison, Speech Introducing Proposed Amendments to the Constitution | Online Library of Liberty
Number of State Constitutional Amendments in Each State | Ballotpedia
The Rise of the American Dream and the Forces That Made America | Al Jazeera
How The Post-War Home Reflects the Changing American Dream | The Atlantic
The Rage of the Incels | The New Yorker
Violence Has Grown Since California Incel Shooting | Southern Poverty Law Center
Addiction: Why Is Drug Use in America on the Rise? | Kolmac
What Are the Cultural Differences between Europe and United States? | Quora
American Modernism | Wikipedia
What Should We Understand about Urbanization in China? | Yale Insights
Indian Migrations: Indians Are Leaving the Country in Droves. Here’s Where They Are Headed and Why | The Economic Times
Why Does American Culture Have No Rite of Passage? | Quora
Keeping up with the Joneses (Idiom) | Wikipedia
A Reminder That College Ranking Is Pretty Much Meaningless | Reddit
Chasing the Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs by Johann Hari | Amazon
Lost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression — And the Unexpected Solutions by Johann Hari | Amazon
Johann Hari’s Journey of Discovery About Depression | Filter
Housing, Family, and Life‐Course in Post‐Growth Japan | Japan Architectural Review
Why More Americans Are Choosing to Live In Multigenerational Housing | On Point
British Centre for Durkheimian Studies (BCDS) | Faculty of Theology and Religion
How America Fell into Toxic Individualism | Psychology Today
SoHo | The Official Guide to New York City
Is Moving Closer to Work Financially Worth It? | The Christian Science Monitor
Elections: Why Fascism Still Has a Hold on Italy | Al Jazeera
Trump Scammed $250 Million from Supporters Over Election Fraud Claims | Rolling Stone
How Americans Say Their Priorities Changed during COVID-19 | Pew Research Center
What Is a Right-to-Work Law, and How Does It Work? | Investopedia
Opinion: SC Auto Industry Is Rolling into the Future | Greenville Online
Boeing South Carolina
Why Aza Raskin Is Building AI to Talk to Animals | Time
Decoding Non-Human Communication with AI | Earth Species Project
How to Speak Whale: The Power and Wonder of Listening to Animals by Tom Mustill | Amazon
Are We on the Verge of Chatting with Whales? | Hakai Magazine
Could This Futuristic Vest Give Us a Sixth Sense? | Smithsonian Magazine
I Feel Love: MDMA for Autism and Social Anxiety by Rachel Nuwer | Tim Ferriss
Dog Tips and Training with Tim Ferriss | YouTube
What Is It Like to Be a Bat? by Thomas Nagel | The Philosophical Review
Chimps Have Own ‘Dialects’ But Can Learn Others | ABC Science
Can Artificial Intelligence Really Help Us Talk to the Animals? | The Guardian
Killer Whales Can Learn to “Speak Dolphin” | Discover Magazine
How Bunny the Dog Is Pushing Scientists’ Buttons | The Verge
Koko the Gorilla’s Best Moments: From Sign Language to Meeting Mister Rogers | Inside Edition
Chiribiquete National Park: “The Maloca of the Jaguar” | UNESCO World Heritage Centre
The Persuasive Power of the Wolf Lady | The New Yorker
Mike Phillips — How to Save a Species | The Tim Ferriss Show #383
How Can Animal Communicators NOT be Vegan? | Listen To Your Horse
Why Am I, An Animal Communicator, Not Vegetarian? | InnerSelf.com
Multispecies Constitution Project | Berggruen Institute
Logic and Ontology | Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Strengthening Animal-Human Relationships as a Doorway to Indigenous Holistic Wellness | Ecopsychology
Is This Monkey the Inspiration for Dr. Seuss’ Lorax? | Science
The Lorax by Dr. Seuss | Amazon
The Intelligent Plant | The New Yorker
Opinion: The Lost Cultures of Whales | The New York Times
Man Was Made to Mourn: A Dirge by Robert Burns | Robert Burns Country
World’s Worst Genocides | Borgen Magazine
How the Fijians Cook and Eat “Long Pig” | Pilot (1882)
We Already Have Human Clones: Identical Twins | Because Science
20 Years after Dolly the Sheep’s Debut, Americans Remain Skeptical of Cloning | Pew Research Center
Public Perspectives on Human Cloning | The Wellcome Trust
Op-Ed: The Dangers of Cloning | Fung Institute for Engineering Leadership
Gattaca | Prime Video
They Went to a Renowned Fertility Doctor. He Secretly Impregnated Them with His Own Sperm | CBC Documentaries
H. Rept. 108-18 – Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2003 | Library of Congress
Understanding the Risks of IVF Twins and Multiples | Fertility Institute
The Distinctive ‘Habsburg Jaw’ Was Likely the Result of the Royal Family’s Inbreeding | Smithsonian Magazine
Inbred Family: The Whittakers | Soft White Underbelly
Eugenics and Scientific Racism | National Human Genome Research Center
The Matrix | Prime Video
SHOW NOTES
[11:34] Defining “heresy.”
[14:22] Josh’s heresy: We need to teach listening over talking.
[32:48] Noah’s heresy: Constitutions are overrated.
[55:01] Maggie’s heresy: American middle-class culture is ruining everything.
[1:14:54] Tim’s heresy: We’re on the cusp of meaningfully communicating with animals.
[1:35:23] Kevin’s heresy: Human cloning is OK.
PEOPLE MENTIONED
Antoinette Delruelle
Thomas More
James Madison
Billy Crystal
Elon Musk
Johann Hari
Émile Durkheim
Don Draper
Silvio Berlusconi
Giorgia Meloni
Donald Trump
Aza Raskin
Tom Mustill
David Eagleman
Rachel Nuwer
Thomas Nagel
B.F. Skinner
Bunny
Koko
Michael Pollan
Albert Einstein
Usain Bolt
House of Habsburg
The post HERESIES with Co-Hosts Kevin Kelly and Noah Feldman (#677) appeared first on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss .
